Official "Lord of the Rings" Topic!

Relict Antihero Posts : 206

Hello and welcome to a topic about the Best Book of the Millennium! (As voted on Amazon.com, I think.)

Well, most have heard of it, and plenty more have read it. Have you? Then post your thoughts!

P.S. I beat you to it, Morgoth and W. Smug Smile

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Iron Tribe Plague Posts : 144

x-( You did.
As you can probably tell by my display name, my favorite is Quenta Silmarillion. Although it's the least-known, in my opinion it's the best. I also really like Unfinished Tales and other books like that.
Also, I have heard that Tolkien intended that The Lord of the Rings be one book, instead of three.

Mysterious Figure Posts : 8336

Oh, Mo. You've earned yourself my displeasure.

Morgoth: Ah yes, the display name tells it all.

But notice how Mo got around the one-book issue by saying "installment" instead of "book"... Tolkien did intend it to be one book, though, before a paper shortage cut that idea into three.

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Iron Tribe Plague Posts : 144

That's true, he did. Really? I didn't know that part.
So which ones are your favorites, W?

Mysterious Figure Posts : 8336

Yep. Tolkien wasn't very happy.

The Silmarillion and The Two Towers might be my favorites, I guess.

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Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

You know, a while ago I realized that the language in the book didn' make it official, it made the whole series really hard to understand. The core concept and plot were both brilliant, but I personally found Tolkein's writing style so heard to read I didn't even make it through the Silmarillion.

Also, I felt the lack of a main villian annoying. The Silmarillion's inclusion of Mogroth left me more than a little annoyed, as I felt it totally killed Sauron's "ultimate villian" effect...

Mysterious Figure Posts : 8336

Well, the Silmarillion was supposed to have predated the rest of the books, and I think that was said to be Tolkien's personal favorite, as it had all the lore, history, etc.

In any case, Morgoth was the original LoTR "ultimate villain"... though surprisingly Sauron lasted longer. I guess it's a little like Megatron and Starscream.

(The old ones, not the weirdo new ones.)

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Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

Still, it wouldn't have been to hard to just have made ONE main villian. Just replace "Sauron" with "Magroth". There's practically no difference, except a few lines about Sauron in the Silmarillion.

Mysterious Figure Posts : 8336

No, no, they're not the same. Morgoth was the ultimate ruler in the beginning. He had the Silmaril gems which people eventually stole. Sauron was his servant, who took over once Morgoth was imprisoned (I think). Sauron was the so-called "Lord of the Rings" - he forged the One Ring and was linked to it, and became the Great Eye in his later days.

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Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

I know, but I feel that was a bad idea. It gets rid of the presence of one main villian. It's all together better, in my opinion, to just have one single villian.

Mysterious Figure Posts : 8336

It would tie the story together, true, but I don't feel it diminishes Sauron's presence, let alone Morgoth's. Sauron is depicted as the successor to Morgoth's mystique and power.

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Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

I know, but... oh, whatever.

Of course, this brings up a new question: Who was the better villian, Sauron or Magroth?

Mysterious Figure Posts : 8336

I know what Morgoth the member is going to say, and I won't disagree.

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Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

Sadly, I'm undecided until I figure out what the guy looked like... it's hard to beat creepy knight w/ ring/floating eye that sees all, and they're both too awsome to be compared based on villiany.

So, out of the three members who have ever posted in this topic, Mogroth wins.

Mysterious Figure Posts : 8336

Morgoth had awesome armor. The end.

~~BO CLEEVIL AND JOHN DEE FOR MALEVOLENT PRESIDENCY~~ Ahem.

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First Toa Team Posts : 1735

sauron is my hero... he pwns

Relict Antihero Posts : 206

Picture of Morgoth.

Picture of Sauron.

Sauron is something like Morgoth's anorexic successor.

The end.

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The Cold Mage Posts : 5869

In the end, they're both some of the coolest guys ever.

~A~

Relict Antihero Posts : 206

If you can call them "guys".

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The Cold Mage Posts : 5869

Yeah, whatever they are.

~A~

Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

One's a god.

It was never clarified what Sauron used to be.

First Toa Team Posts : 1735

sauron was human he just used the power of his ring to become something more

Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

...Sauron made the rings himself.

He used Mogroth's power to become something more.

Relict Antihero Posts : 206

Spectral's explanation of Iraemancer's explanation is the correct explanation.

Sauron was some human who was Morgoth's deputy/errand-runner.

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The Cold Mage Posts : 5869

Errand-runner....

Morgoth's Grocery List wrote:: -Evil milk
-Evil bread
-The one ring
-Evil tomato soup

So win.

Anwyays, what about the "Mouth-of-Sauron" dude?

~A~

Relict Antihero Posts : 206

Indeed.

That Mouth of Sauron human? Well, let's put it in analogy form.

Code:

Morgoth:Sauron :: Sauron:Mouth-of-Sauron

That is, if I used the analogy symbols correctly.

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Head Librarian & Game Master Posts : 3659

You did. I would know since I (very sadly) skip lunch twice a weak to go to a special class called I.D.E.A. (Interesting Dimensions to Extend your Accademics), which consists of a list of words which we make analogies with.

Idea : Lunch :: X-Box : Wii

I'll let you untangle that.

Relict Antihero Posts : 206

... This is the Lord of the Rings Topic, not the Videogame-Console/Idea/Meal Analogy Topic.

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First Toa Team Posts : 1735

back on topic guys: the one ring DO WANT!

Prototype Universe Posts : 44

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